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	<title>Comments on: Microsoft Openly Challenges VMware In New Ad</title>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.beingmanan.com/wp/2009/11/microsoft-openly-challenges-vmware-in-new-ad/comment-page-1/#comment-3443</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I currently use vSphere4 in a production environment (migrated from ESX 3.5) and have put the Hyper-V product side by side to see what it&#039;s all about. From a technical aspect, VMware outperformed the MS product everytime. In fact, out of the box, VMware is much easier to configure during setup than the MS product is. Why is that? Yes, it could be that that VMware released it API to the world or it could be that VMware has been in the virtual business a lot longer than Microsoft has. If I were evaluating a product from  either of these companies, I would definitely be concerned about the length of time that either company has been successful with this technology. Let&#039;s see where MS is in a few years with virtualization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I currently use vSphere4 in a production environment (migrated from ESX 3.5) and have put the Hyper-V product side by side to see what it&#8217;s all about. From a technical aspect, VMware outperformed the MS product everytime. In fact, out of the box, VMware is much easier to configure during setup than the MS product is. Why is that? Yes, it could be that that VMware released it API to the world or it could be that VMware has been in the virtual business a lot longer than Microsoft has. If I were evaluating a product from  either of these companies, I would definitely be concerned about the length of time that either company has been successful with this technology. Let&#8217;s see where MS is in a few years with virtualization.</p>
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		<title>By: Arlindo Alves</title>
		<link>http://www.beingmanan.com/wp/2009/11/microsoft-openly-challenges-vmware-in-new-ad/comment-page-1/#comment-3241</link>
		<dc:creator>Arlindo Alves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @manan Microsoft Openly Challenges VMWare In New Ad &#124; I&#039;m Just Being Manan http://bit.ly/3Gx3Gk&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @manan Microsoft Openly Challenges VMWare In New Ad | I&#39;m Just Being Manan <a href="http://bit.ly/3Gx3Gk" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/3Gx3Gk</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: John Willemse</title>
		<link>http://www.beingmanan.com/wp/2009/11/microsoft-openly-challenges-vmware-in-new-ad/comment-page-1/#comment-2914</link>
		<dc:creator>John Willemse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Microsoft Openly Challenges VMware In New Ad. http://chilp.it/?94cb02&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Microsoft Openly Challenges VMware In New Ad. <a href="http://chilp.it/?94cb02" rel="nofollow">http://chilp.it/?94cb02</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://www.beingmanan.com/wp/2009/11/microsoft-openly-challenges-vmware-in-new-ad/comment-page-1/#comment-2774</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally someone is bold enough to stand up and speak.

No Microsoft are not vetrians and they are after a different sector of the market but I am tired of hearing about vmware and how great it is when I have to buy the highest version just to get live migration (lets not even go into central management) things that every other player does for free!

Yes if you are runnign a large datacentre with multiple sites etc and millions in budget then go ahead but if you have a few physical servers then vmware is a stupid decision.

I used hyper-v and am now on xen as I needed more functionally before r2 was available.

Oh and as for the api funny how I can live migrate between hyper-v and xenserver hosts no problem etc.

We all know that vmware has no intention of addressing the small market. just the fact that it has taken this long to get load ballanced iscsi shows that.

I dont dislike vmware I am just saying it is for a different market!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally someone is bold enough to stand up and speak.</p>
<p>No Microsoft are not vetrians and they are after a different sector of the market but I am tired of hearing about vmware and how great it is when I have to buy the highest version just to get live migration (lets not even go into central management) things that every other player does for free!</p>
<p>Yes if you are runnign a large datacentre with multiple sites etc and millions in budget then go ahead but if you have a few physical servers then vmware is a stupid decision.</p>
<p>I used hyper-v and am now on xen as I needed more functionally before r2 was available.</p>
<p>Oh and as for the api funny how I can live migrate between hyper-v and xenserver hosts no problem etc.</p>
<p>We all know that vmware has no intention of addressing the small market. just the fact that it has taken this long to get load ballanced iscsi shows that.</p>
<p>I dont dislike vmware I am just saying it is for a different market!</p>
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		<title>By: darklight</title>
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		<dc:creator>darklight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely love how you quote the part of my comment that backs up your comment and declare it FUD (which stands for Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) which is a patently false statement.  Yet you ignore the portion of my comment that renders the first portion of your actual comment impotent.  If I was afraid of it I wouldn&#039;t have spent 5 years constantly trying to use it.  If I was uncertain I wouldn&#039;t have made an assertion.  If I was in doubt I wouldn&#039;t be certain.

I also admit, freely, that I haven&#039;t used the R2 version and have just plain given up on trying to use the MS product.  In my experience, which is empirical evidence and not anecdotal from my point of view, ESX is in fact more stable than the non R2 version of Hyper-v; ESX is more efficient in memory management and CPU resource management than the non R2 version of Hyper-V; ESX has features that the non R2 version of Hyper-V simply DOES NOT HAVE and if I have to use MSCS clustering for HA all bets are off.

Let me state, one more time, for the record, again, that I haven&#039;t used 2008 R2 Hyper-V but that&#039;s by choice and not out of F, or U or D.  I run 1800 virtualized machines on 70 ESX servers and that number will only increase next year.  I will also freely admit that a large investment in/with VMware is driving the decision to stay with VMware but every time we turn around MS is saying &quot;We can do that too&quot; and not the other way around.  I have yet to have our VMware rep say or even imply that they&#039;ve finally got a feature that MS has had all along.

And frankly, I have so many management and monitoring tools in the environment already that I don&#039;t need another one to monitor and manage my virtual world AND my physical world.  Hands off thank you very much, and I say that to all the hypervisor vendors, not just MS.  I&#039;ve told that to VMware and Citrix (Xen).  Focus on what you do and do it well, quit doing stuff half way and then selling it and patching it the rest of the way into existence, it&#039;s driving the rest of us crazy.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely love how you quote the part of my comment that backs up your comment and declare it FUD (which stands for Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) which is a patently false statement.  Yet you ignore the portion of my comment that renders the first portion of your actual comment impotent.  If I was afraid of it I wouldn&#8217;t have spent 5 years constantly trying to use it.  If I was uncertain I wouldn&#8217;t have made an assertion.  If I was in doubt I wouldn&#8217;t be certain.</p>
<p>I also admit, freely, that I haven&#8217;t used the R2 version and have just plain given up on trying to use the MS product.  In my experience, which is empirical evidence and not anecdotal from my point of view, ESX is in fact more stable than the non R2 version of Hyper-v; ESX is more efficient in memory management and CPU resource management than the non R2 version of Hyper-V; ESX has features that the non R2 version of Hyper-V simply DOES NOT HAVE and if I have to use MSCS clustering for HA all bets are off.</p>
<p>Let me state, one more time, for the record, again, that I haven&#8217;t used 2008 R2 Hyper-V but that&#8217;s by choice and not out of F, or U or D.  I run 1800 virtualized machines on 70 ESX servers and that number will only increase next year.  I will also freely admit that a large investment in/with VMware is driving the decision to stay with VMware but every time we turn around MS is saying &#8220;We can do that too&#8221; and not the other way around.  I have yet to have our VMware rep say or even imply that they&#8217;ve finally got a feature that MS has had all along.</p>
<p>And frankly, I have so many management and monitoring tools in the environment already that I don&#8217;t need another one to monitor and manage my virtual world AND my physical world.  Hands off thank you very much, and I say that to all the hypervisor vendors, not just MS.  I&#8217;ve told that to VMware and Citrix (Xen).  Focus on what you do and do it well, quit doing stuff half way and then selling it and patching it the rest of the way into existence, it&#8217;s driving the rest of us crazy.</p>
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